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| ian jones |
Can we plan the layout of tables a bit better and the first half dozen people in move them around if they don't mind? We could get into a routine of doing this each week? What do you think? |
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| Tess |
well there was a further fold-down table unused yesterday that we didn't spot, but I think this kinda thing might be better on a seperate topic of its own...
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| Teflon Billy |
'Tis done.
As Tess says there was another table behind a door at the far end. We'll probably need it out for next week. What was the issue your end? |
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| ian jones |
just felt a little ovecrowded. We did move over to accomadate two games but there was other tables and chairs in the way.
I just felt in hindsight maybe if we had spread the tables out better at the beginning of the night it would of been better. Same problem though, we didn't know how many games where expected to need tables. Do we have a rough idea of an average needed? Can we 'book' tables before the monday to guarantee a table?? we can get a routine where we move some tables first thing and possibly find a regular layout we can stick to , to make it better for us all? |
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| paz |
I think this is a great idea, especially as space now seems to be at a greater premium than light. What tables do we have available? I know of: our 2 grey 6 ft. x 2½ ft. collapsible tables the 2 wood-effect 5 ft. x 2 ft. (approx.) collapsible tables Several 4 ft. x 2 ft. (approx.) wooden tables (how many?) (what else?) Is it worth getting a tape measure out and planning it, or do we just want to lug tables around until we find a layout that works OK? |
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| Kamikazegerbil |
Can definately see the value here. I can understand Ian feeling overcrowded, in retrospect you did seem a little shoved into that corner. I think a little bit of shuffling tables around on Monday might help.
It may take a week or two to get right as somethings won't be clear until people have been sat gaming for a bit. I think we can safely say two white tables at the end to the left at your enter for D&D as there seems no reason to change this and it's rather convenient for Werewolves once all the games wrap up. Dpending on how many other games are running we could have the far end for other RPGs and then boardgames in between. Things tend to work out as a less organized version of this anyway so we'd just be tidying it up and working out the kinks. I think it would make it much easier if GMs can work out what tables they need the first week they run (or before if they know how many players they will have) and then state this in the "What's happing this week?" thread with other game details. We should also keep a couple of tables reserved for boardgames as these are an unknown quantity. Just my suggestions. |
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| HDimagination |
I pose a question for the sake of arguement:
Would we get better milage by splitting the two grey tables up? One of those grey tables can easily fit 5 players around for an RPG/boardgame that is less space intesive. Would it be possible to squeeze the Crimson Throne game onto smaller tables so that we can easily fit two games in each section of the room? As an additional point; If the attendance level of this monday keeps up, we may be able to buy additonal tables, which would seem to be the ideal solution. |
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| Shaphron |
I'm going to have to say I agree that the 2 grey, large tables should be split - they can easily accomodate a game each, and I don't see why the crimson throne games needs the 2 largest tables we have. If they were split you could easily fit 2 games in each "room" we have.
I would also say that the more informal organisation seems to works best in this club, so trial and error of setting up tables at beginning of the night would probably work better than formally saying we are having board games here, RPGs here... (I know that's not exactly what the suicidal gerbil was saying, but it's more fun to take things to extremes, and then argue them...) Shell |
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| Kamikazegerbil |
Yeah it wasn't my exact point. Trial and error is best I merely suggested a starting point. I can see this working as "Okay this seems to work so our game will grab these tables and set up here until it stops working." Apologies for spoiling your fun by not arguing from an extreme. 
It's worth bearing in mind what ever system we come up with needs to be flexible. (Not responding to Shaphron specifically here more a general thing.) If this gets to formal it's liable to be rigid and cause problems when games end and new ones start with others continuing as there's no guarantee the new game will be able to use the same amount of table space. As for Crimson Throne I only said that because from my viewpoint it seemed to need that space. If the CoC people say they can use less space everything I've said it rendered moot. Even if it's smaller tables I'd say a game that uses minis and has 4-6 players needs two tables of some variety at least. I remember trying to run a map-based game on one table with 6 players and I felt very crowded which spoils it a little for me. I'm aware that some boardgames (talisman and tomb for example) have the same issue. Avoiding people feeling overcrowded is exactly why I think it's important we have some level of organisation for this. I think once we have a shuffle with tables this'll be much easier. Any discussion now will be from memory which complicates it. (But as Shaphron points out debating it is fun anyway.  )
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| Teflon Billy |
Yeah, we're probably best trying to sort this out on Monday. Get the extra table out, get the unnecessary stuff out of the way (the small round tables come to mind). See what games need what space (I'd say CoCT does need two tables, personally I'm not particularly bothered if they're the grey ones or not). We may find we need more tables, if the numbers stay at the current levels. |
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| Teflon Billy |
Approx. £55. *Update +£50 that was not in the box = approx £105 |
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| HDimagination |
Oh don't worry it hasn't been, until last monday when we were streatched to capacity. I mean, this whole discussion is predicated on the club maintaining the same attendance level. I guess we'll have to wait and see. |
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| Teflon Billy |
Monday 19th will be another 'normal/full' week, (unless I get anymore late night texts  ).
So we probably need to get the extraneous stuff out of the way, and think about the table layout at the start of the night, in an utterly organized/disorganized manner .
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| Teflon Billy |
I asked around the new people on Monday and it looks like numbers will remain consistent for the foreseeable future. So we probably need more tables.
Nurse Matt is bringing another table next week (that we can keep ). This may solve the problem.
Otherwise we may need to buy more. Relevant facts: Approx £110 in the kitty (waiting for conformation from annoyinglizard voice). The tables that we have bought previously, cost £40 ea. (the 'grey/cream' ones). I thinking maybe another 2? Or Paz mentioned there were smaller ones for about £25. |
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| paz |
Did anyone manage to find out what happened to the second wood-effect collapsible table? There only seemed to be one present on Monday.
I will try to find out details on the range of collapsible tables currently on offer at Costco tonight or tomorrow and post it here. |
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| Tess |
Thank You Paz!!
We worship at yout Ikea feat ;p |
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| paz |
The range of collapsible tables at Costco, the same style that we have already:
4 ft x 2 ft - £27.01 inc VAT This does not fold in half, but the legs fold down. This one has a handle on one of the long edges; there is also one the same size without a handle for £24.66, but they only had one in stock (and it was damaged). 6 ft x 2.5 ft - £41.11 inc VAT This is the fold-in-half one that we have two of already. 8 ft x 2.5-3 ft - £64.61 inc VAT This is massive! Way too big for our needs. One thought I've had is that the 6 ft tables are pretty big. Would we be better off getting a couple of the 4ft ones, and pushing them together to make a 4ft x 4ft table? I don't know if that would be big enough for most games or not. |
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| Teflon Billy |
Thanks for the info .
We probably need to judge this on Monday. See what physical space there is/what is needed. Hopefully Nurse Matt's table will have arrived and maybe we can locate the second wood-effect collapsible table. I'll bring a tape measure. The kitty is at £145 (thanks annoyinglizardvoice  ).
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| Teflon Billy |
Tables seem to be working out well. (thanks Paz).
We seem to be having some problems with chairs. The bar staff have been perfectly happy with us taking a reasonable number from downstairs, so you may need to get one from there (particularly if you arrive later on). If there still don't seem to be enough, can people post it here and/or let me know. |
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| Teflon Billy |
We have currently around £122 in the kitty and (AFAIK) no immediate (or indeed non-immediate) need for it.
Therefore I am proposing that the ‘subs’ are reduced to 50p for the next ten weeks (to reduce the slight ‘random’ factor of a free week) starting the 27th to bring the amount down to a more reasonable level. I've discussed this informally with the members of 'The Committee' Then we re-assess after that. Relevant facts: Attendance is currently 20-25, therefore @50p we would make a 'loss' each week of around £2.50 - £5.00 (given the £15 'rent'). |
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| metagaia |
I second this.
Informal member of the committee. 
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| Gileh |
I am in favor of this and should it come down to a vote then I submit in absentia that I agree with the proposal. | ||||
| xorsyst |
In the interests of chaos and discord, I have 2 alternative proposals to the fee being reduced temporarily:
1: Each person is gets a free visit every third/forth visit to the club. The treasurer is responsible for tracking attendance and payment. 2: We keep the subs at £1, and the club buys sweets/cakes/doughnuts/crisps/biscuits for everyone with the excess money. x |
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| Teflon Billy |
Sadly moot at this point, reduced fee policy now in place (started last night) due to end, 29th November. We'll look at it again then. | ||||
| Tess |
I think it is important to keep things simple, the treasurer's job is to pick up the pennies as quickly and efficiently as possible so that they are not wasting their gaming time or anyone elses gaming time. Trying to figure out who is on which of their weeks each time would just complicate things.
A good idea but impractical to carry out. With buying sweeties etc you may risk people who do not want or do not like what has been bought feeling that they are paying for other people to eat food with no benefit to themselves. The wonderful people who buy (or even bake!!) yums for everyone are much appreciated, but they are the generous type and choose to do so. I wouldn't want to risk it breeding bad feeling either from or towards those who are not the same. |
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| paz |
Tess said what I was going to, and did it better than I would. 
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| Tess |
I like you... you can stay
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| Teflon Billy |
Gotta agree, Tess put it perfectly .
K.I.S.S. (the polite version of course), a principle to live by .
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| Teflon Billy |
There's still approx £120 in the kitty so I propose that the 50p subs continue for the foreseeable future. |
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